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Message: [QUOTE="Aballinamion, post: 5615170, member: 289533"] First, it seems that Villain/UTG isn't holding QQ+ (called 3-bet preflop), but even so these hands are possible, in a low frequency. Second, UTG/Villain can be raising first all of the pocket pairs, which includes 88, 99 and 22. Plus all of this there aren't flush draws OTF to be charged of. Hands that we are charging are TJ (which we are blocking), 76 (not very common on UTG's ranges), 65, and I don't know what else more. For all of these reasons, if we are going for 1/3 to 1/2 pot at maximum, with all of our range that 3-bets: BTN vs UTG, we are going fine. The turn completes a one liner straight but this should be not our concern. Hands that we are already winning, could fold if we do c-bet OTT again, such as 8x, 9x, Ax, and some flush draws of hearts. Many players do this mistake when they see a lower board to their overpairs, and they feel comfortable 100% of times, to be stacking of in these scenarios with the excuse that the opponent is a recreational. Our only hope is that Villain/UTG is holding 33, 44 or TT, because 55 gives Villain a set, 66 a straight, 77, 88 and 99 sets, 22 bottom set, plus a couple of two pair combos such as 98 and 87. We can only be calling down this donk-shove OTR when we have lots of information about Villain and this means something we barely never have at the micros: thousands of hands played versus Villain with a bunch of HUD stats preflop and postflop plus our notes. As a default, versus unknown recreational ones, I am folding this donk-shove 100% of times without hesitation. We do have TP2K + Gutshot. At 2 NLHE this is a very high variance spot. Our outs are not clean because Villains can be holding/blocking Qx. Plus we have a lot of reverse implied odds, cause we are not holding the nutted blockers of Spades, As and Ks. Easy fold at 2 NLHE with no information of Villains. Unless our plan is to start to play bingos. Regards; Carlos 'Aballinamion' Barbosa [/QUOTE]

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