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[QUOTE="loafaBREAD, post: 5761269, member: 440287"] Pre: 85s should almost always be a fold. Against a BTN min open, I might find a 3-bet, depending on opponent. I actually don't know full ring positions too well... is UTG + 4 the low jack? If so, V's range is relatively tight and V should have a massive advantage on the flop. So I see your logic with the check/call on the flop, but there are a few things that make a flop XR more preferable. 1. Just know that while a XR on any street looks super strong on this board, a Turn XR looks really strong (more so than a flop one). XRing the flop gives V more room to play back at you, V can also 3bet with his value hands (lots) which you happen to beat and you can get it in ahead (you only really lose to his royal flush). 2. As others have said, you are still vulnerable to a 4 flush on the board. If it doesn't improve V to a better flush, then it will likely kill action from worse hands. No bueno, senor! As played, there are better players than me here who talked about the river so listen to them! I know it's hard to fold a hand like that, but once you run down the list of possible hands this guy bets there... you'll see you beat maybe 3 combos of brave straights. AQ, AJ, AT are checking back there. V has AK, KQ AA, QQ and sure KK, and yea he did bet a good sizing. V has 0 bluffs for that bet size (imo) But don't get discouraged, with just a few minor adjustments you'd get your money in as a favorite, and he'd suck out on you! Keep on keeping on. [/QUOTE]
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