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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6077752, member: 305911"] Both turn and river are very interesting spots out of position. I think the turn is probably a mix of betting and checking but I personally prefer checking. I think its close and hate giving a free card so I would not argue for or against checking or betting there. On the river we have a hand that no one thinks we have. I highly doubt any opponent is putting us on a boat here just as we are not putting any other opponent on a boat. Not all flushes are going to call here. I know this is low stakes but I dont expect 10 and lower spades to call our bet if we lead but I also would expect them to check behind as well so Im not worried about those or targeting them. In this spot we are strictly relying on someone having the A of spades and to a lesser extent the K of spades. Ace of spades is betting if check and imo they could/will raise us if we lead because how many boats would we play this way? How many 8xs are we defending with and our sets would have made noise by now. Therefore, the way to get the most value in this hand is to lead out and hope that Ace of spades is out there to raise us where we then can re raise with villain then more priced in to call. Checking here will either get checks behind from weaker flushes or an Ace of spades will bet and we can then raise but I dont think are getting re raised. Leading allows us that chance at a 4 bet on the river. If no ace of spades is out there checking will lead to check behinds a lot and betting might at least still get a crying call from J or Q spades. As played with the check I dont think you can jam here as even A of spades would then think "he is never doing that with K of spades" so they then could put you on a boat. I would raise somewhere between 3x and 5x villains bet so I dont think your bet was that far off but you probably could have got another 30-50 cents out of it. No way to ever know [/QUOTE]

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