$5 NLHE 6-max: 4bet pot w/ KK facing flop C/R

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 50/29/5

Limited (15) hands on Villain but clearly trending towards the Aggro side

Villain (VPIP: 50, PFR: 29, AF 5)

This hand is his third 3bet in 15 hands


How high would the SPR have to be to consider folding this?

Looking back i noticed i'd subconscously labeled him as an Aggro fish, is that too risky an assumption to make when a LAG could have these stats over this sample size?

Is a sample size of 15 too low to be categorizing players as recreational players?


pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.02/$0.05 - 6 players
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UTG: $5.00 (100 bb)
MP: $10.75 (215 bb)
CO: $7.74 (155 bb)
BU: $5.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $8.56 (171 bb)
BB: $2.94 (59 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K K
UTG raises to $0.14, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to $0.49, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to $1.40, 2 players fold, CO calls $0.91

Flop: ($2.99) 7 2 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.44, CO raises to $6.34 (all-in), Hero calls $4.90

Turn: ($15.67) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($15.67) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $15.67 (Rake: $0.65)

Showdown:
CO shows Q Q (three of a kind, Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 91%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

SB (Hero) shows K K (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 9%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

CO wins $15.02
 
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As for his stats 15 hands is a small sample for sure. But even so this is certainly not a player, against whom I want to make a nitty fold putting him solely on top set. I think, someone with these stats are fully capable of calling a 4-bet with AQ and then stacking off, when he flop top pair, and there are 4 times as many combos of AQ as QQ. I also think, he can have draws or just be going crazy with some completely random hand, that he dont want to fold. So this was just a very good flop for him, and there is nothing, you could have done to get away for less :)
 
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I like the way you played the hand in general. I think a little larger 3 bet would be better especially since we are not folding KK pre to a villain like this even with just 15 hands. He could have plenty of hands that he will call a raise with pre since many dont fold after they raise but then will fold a lot of flops when we C bet. If that turns out to be the case then we want to raise a little more pre to get more value out of them the one street we figure they will come along often.

As far as the flop goes, I think even with a loose player like this we can rule out the JJ-88 hands since I just dont see a villain jamming over there with one of those, even this one. I am also discounting AA since I think this villain, as most would, would be re raising with them. That leaves me thinking they have some Qx with a good/decent kicker, QQ, or two hearts. Their two hearts holdings should be skewed largely to Ax of hearts which we are ahead of but not killing (basically flipping on the good side of the flip). We are ahead of Qx as well and QQ is the least likely due to lack of combos. I think this is a call as you did here but I am not loving this and would not feel good, just as I didn't seeing the hand in the replayer, when we get re raised on the flop. This villain is just too wild from what we know about them to fold this and the times they show up with QQ here it just is what it is. Other villains who are not as loose make this a harder hand to play and bring folding more into the equation but I think you played this one right but just ran into bad luck.
 
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Villain called your 4-bet.. this means villain has or AA or QQ on the flop right? Because you block KK with your KK.. The nit that I am should fold this.
 
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15 hands is definitely too small to start assumptions.
I would use 50 hands as a general guide.
Pretty rough spot here.
Being in a 4bet pot you don't have to cbet so large, I would cbet 25-33% of the pot as you can easily get the money in across 3 streets.
Even if you cbet small and villain raises you probably have to call it off with an SPR of 2.
 
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