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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5781337, member: 305911"] I like your play here on this hand with one exception that I will get into. First, I want to write that I agree with the flat call from the button. An argument can be made for 3 betting but depending on villains fold to 3 bet % the 3 bet will leave us in a weird spot when overcard or overcards flop. Calling and set mining with still some hand value as well makes more sense to me. We need a plan for the hand before we take any action vs villains flop bet. Calling seems like the obvious choice but are we doing on the turn and river when other overcards come and we face future bets? It is very likely that we will face some aggression going forward in this hand and likely there will be at least one more overcard to an eight. I dont think folding on the flop is terrible if we are making up our mind that we folding to any turn bet unless a 7 or 8 hits. Thats nitty but we have to think about this before calling. I would be calling in game for sure but I would also have a plan on the turn that you come close to doing. The turn is where the one exception I mentioned earlier comes in. My plan after calling the turn would be: fold to a bet larger than 60% of pot, fold when a card 10 or higher hits unless the bet is very small, if a card 9 or smaller comes then either check or little over min raise the villains bet as long as it is half pot or less. That does not cover all scenarios but we want to live the rest of our lives and not read my post. So with villains action here I like raising to 16BB and not to 22BB. I am not making this raise for value but am bluffing/blocking a river lead out bet of great size. If the villain re raises me here or leads on river of any decent size (over 40%) I will just fold and let it be. Often though we will just get called on our raise and then checked to us on the river. That will allow us to pot control since we see the showdown for only 9BB or so and will also make the villain define their hand. It also gives us some fold equity (not sure how much on a min raise but some will fold to any raise on the turn). As played, river is a clear fold to me. Villain has a pair here and a lot of people over value their boat at times but what boat could he have that we beat? 7s maybe but I doubt they have 4s, 3s, or deuces so we lose to all boats. [/QUOTE]

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