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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6871538, member: 305911"] On the flop I think we are better off leading here. There are a lot of opponents and with that many opponents we may see a lot of checks behind us and a check through here is a tradge for our hand and what the board is. I would lead out here (since it was a limped pot) to a somewhat standard sizing of half pot give or take and see what happens. If you do take the check raise line I dont hate it by any means but our raise should be more as we really want to charge the draws and playing as deep as we are the draws will call larger bets due to the larger implied odds of cash game stacks. Turn: Pretty good card for us and I like your sizing with the double flush draws. I think you can go even bigger here but betting 60% as you did is also fine. Maybe 70-75% pot is a little more optimal here but as with everything theres villain dependent-ness to it as well. River: It does complete the flush but its also the Ace of that suit so it does cut down on potential flushes a little more than say a 10 of spades would. When we lead here for 2/3rds pot what are we looking to have call us? The one pair hands will have a much tougher time to call us, the straight draws that missed should never be calling but only folding or raising as a bluff, two pair calls but those call a little less than if the river was a blank and also since we have a set we block two pairs somewhat decently. I think this is a perfect spot to check and make it look like you just pissed your pants the flush card came in and have the intention to call. I think when we check here the bets that we face that are larger will tend to be bluffs more than the half pot or smaller bets that will look more valuey. So when we do face a large bet than we should be more prepared to call and the hands that beat us should not want us to fold or at least have some level of fear we fold and should be smaller which are at least more tolerable to us if we are wrong. I would check here and see what villain does. I think their check back hands are hands that would not call a river bet anyway and especially not a bet the size you make it. [/QUOTE]

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