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Message: [QUOTE="c0rnBr34d, post: 6432348, member: 394557"] I'm not sure why so many people want to call here. I think this is a snap fold, nothing to think about. Even some of Vs bluffs have Hero crushed. I agree with others to c-bet this flop as you can get better hands to fold, and can outdraw lots of strong hands but after the flop goes x/x and hero checks turn and gets jammed on for $100 it's just not close. Unless V turns over his hand and shows you a naked diamond draw or some hand we beat just fold. Here are a few expected value calculations to help illustrate: Pot is $115 after his bet, we need to call $100 to see the river. Nice round numbers. If V has pocket 2s. We are exactly 50/50. So when we win it's $115 * 50% = +$57.5 and when we loose it's our $100 call * 50% = $50 so over 10,000 of such hands we'll make $7.50 on average. There are much better spots to make less than 4 big blinds by risking $100 on a draw. V has pretty much any other pocket pair 44-99: $155 * 45% to win = $51.75 when we win - $100 * 55% = -$55 when we lose. So again on average this call is a losing call. And every time we make it we should expect to lose $3.25. It can get worse. What if V turns a hand like A3 into a bluff, now we only have 37.5% equity! So our call on average looses us: $43.125 - 62.5 = -$19.375 Similar story if he jams Kx here we're expecting to lose 20 bucks to draw against him. If he happens to go crazy with Tx we are losing almost $60 of our $100 bucks on a call. And if he has the boat or quads we have the same 1 outter with 2.27% and are losing $95.12 of our $100 call on average. Even a maniac will show up with hands like A3 and 66 often enough to make this a losing call on average in my opinion. Sure he could show up with QdJd or something like that some of the time. But there are much better spots to bluff catch for this price with almost no money in the pot in my opinion. If you folded and would have hit the bad beat that's Vs fault for jamming $100 with quads with $15 bucks in the pot. [/QUOTE]

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