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[QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6101935, member: 305911"]
Thank for your detailed response.  I agree with a lot of your post, however, I disagree with the above as we do have the range advantage to begin with but I think we give up that range advantage when we just call pre and not 4 bet.  I mentioned to fundiver that I personally would never flat a 3 bet here and would 4 bet if I had AA and KK.  If villain is thinking then they should be able to pick up that I am capped here at probably QQ (yes probably giving them too much credit but more fun for discussion).  In knowing that then the perceived range is either even or slightly to the 3 bettor depending on how I perceive the 3 bet which no way villain could know but by default they would probably think I rarely think its bluff (it is of course at times a bluff but way more often not).  I know the last few sentences is a leveling war but I do think I lose the range advantage by calling which is at least a slight reason to 4 bet.  Again I am so up in the air still on calling or 4 betting.  To me its a call from other positions and/or in position but specifically UTG for that perceived range reason I think a case can be made for 4 betting.
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