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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6151593, member: 305911"] Ill skip pre flop as unless you think BB is a player that raises a lot and it aggressive, or can smell weakness then calling with this hand is fine as it has value multi way and can flop well. The hand after pre flop though is puzzling to me. You raise on the flop as a semi bluff but its not large enough to get folds from anything that is not air. So in reality you are saying villain does not have a 2, 4, larger pocket pair that they might just call with pre flop. Thats fine but if thats your thinking on the flop then stick with it. On the turn you bet to continue your story of a hand (which is a hard story to tell because you only called pre flop) but you have a possibly disguised flush so betting is correct and villain calls. Then the board double pairs on the river and all the sudden you go against what you thought on the flop and think villain must have the boat. To me you need to either stick with your initial read that villain does not have a 4 and is unlikely to have a Jack or just call the flop cheaply and see if you get your flush and go from there. You seemed to try to play this hand from both sides and got stuck in the middle. I personally dont villain having too many 4x hands that they open limp with outside of maybe 44, A4, 34, and 45 and the latter two are still loose plays. Therefore, unless villain caught the running Jacks (which is unlikely) you are good here. Im thinking you either call the river or better yet just call on the flop, see what the turn brings and then try to extract the most value from there if the flush comes in or just fold/call/check depending on villains turn action if your flush doesnt come in. [/QUOTE]

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