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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6111875, member: 305911"] Unless you are 4 betting with any real frequency most villains when they are up against a 4 bet will be thinking QQ+ and a potential AK. I dont know what level villain is at but lets say for the sake of argument they believe this. Then they 3 bet us which puts their range Ax and larger pairs for the most part (Not of course all their range but a large portion of it). When the flop comes Ace high with it being dry as can be and we check villain still has the same thoughts on our range here as pre flop as sometimes players will check a set of aces of here. The key here is to know that villain knows almost what we have (again assuming they are competent which you cant at 2 NL but lets just say they are for the point of this post). If we bet here on the flop as we should have then villain has to make a tough decision as AA would bet here and also the other hands we could have are still probably beating villain unless they have an ace. So it comes down to most of the time if villain has Ax they will call here if not they will fold. So I recommend betting small here on the flop and find out now if they have an ace. Something in the neighborhood of 40 cents which is a down bet but I think it will be effective in what we are trying to accomplish. To me with this flop, we are not going to get multiple streets of value from something worse so we should just bet and take it down if thats what it comes to rather than maybe putting ourselves in a tricky spot later. If villain calls I would be done with the hand without further improvement. Turn is a terrible card if the villain we are playing against is thinking player. They know we have QQ, KK or AA and now AA is very unlikely and we checked the flop. Its green light for them to try and steal it here. Problem is we have no idea whether they are Ax or not so my thoughts would be do I know anything about the villain? If I know they are decent then this could be a call. If I think they are not decent or know nothing about them then this is a fold. Just a side note I played a hand similar to this but in a tournament where I had QQ and it was 4 bet and I called. Flop was Ace high similar to this and I checked OOP and my villain checked. Right away I thought this is a chance to get KK to fold. Turn came up a blank I bet out and villain folded. Brought that up as side story that it is decently possible you could be getting bluffed here by QQ or JJ but given that we probably dont know villains thinking level we should be folding. [/QUOTE]

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