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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6013618, member: 385063"] Thank you for posting. Hand 1 Look at the range the V is opening QJ yes we should 3 bet by not 3 betting we do not have AA KK QQ in our range so we cannot get the V to fold a pair on turn or river with a good bluff sizing. Also V plays straight forward weak game so if we 3 bet they 4 we fold easily. Hand 2 Ok not the range to call in the SB versus a calling station and an aggressor. The idea of getting weak V to fold is a very good idea. What we want to know is will they fold? If not then we do not try to bluff steal raised pots OOP we do not have to if they call too often. If we think they will fold we have to know what our 3 street plan has to be. Versus this V they will hang onto top pair top kicker like it is the nuts. So how do we get them to think they have to fold? flop - weak player leads and we think that we can get them to fold if a card comes but only if a card comes on the turn -that is our plan-so we make a big pot hoping for a card to come. We could also call- some sets just call here 56 just calls here and then we can begin our bluff on the turn by leading or check raising if one of those cards came. The sizing of your check raise is fine as our value range and draws need not bet bigger. So we include bluffs in this sizing but with bluffs we know when we make the check raise we are betting turn and river unless the runout shuts us down. After all this V has top pair 9 and bet it into a raiser so a fold is not going to be easy. We then hit what would make a straight for our range 56 JT (we bluffed 86 why not JThds) or 2 pair 87 98 and our sets 77 44 still good 90% of the time. Our plan is the V is weak and cannot stand pressure and will fold (not so sure about this) but we make an under pair to the 9 and check? In situations like this (weak straight forward villain) we bet- fold on the turn with the plan of shoving river if V calls turn unless the 9 pairs. If we are going to stick to our- they will fold plan (still not sure this V would). The size of the bet on turn is based on max pressure on the river not the turn. By making the turn bet look like we want a call. This V will call turn. Then the river shove makes perfect sense as a value pot size or slightly larger than pot size shove. Hope this helps :):) [/QUOTE]

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