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Message: [QUOTE="c0rnBr34d, post: 5879147, member: 394557"] I think I prefer a 4 bet pre but I could go either way if we have reads. What's our 4 bet range if we never have QQ? Just KK+, AK? Being OOP is a perfect excuse to put in the cold 4 bet and evaluate. As we can see in this hand we will be ahead of or flipping with more of Vs range than we are behind (16 combos of AK + 6 combos of JJ + 1 combo of QQ vs 12 combos of KK+ and that's just BTN. UTG is likely wider). In position I'd be more on board with flatting. I think this hand also shows the dangers of trapping KK+ here. It's not the worst result to take it down pre and rake free IMO. As played I think the flop x/r is problematic in a 3 bet pot here as a cold caller. What are we repping and what are we hoping to get called by? The most troubling part is that we are x/r into a very strong UTG opening range and a BTN 3B range that is still uncapped. I think it's overly optimistic to think they both have AQ+ and we can just take it down for a min raise here 3 ways. If we thought that way then why not 4 bet pre? If we were worried about stronger hands, they are still there even though we flopped an over pair. At any rate once we get called I'm shutting down, there is essentially only a pot sized bet left and many of the hands that missed should have now folded to the x/raise. For reasons explained above, as played after the 3 bet pre and the x/r flop that got called on a super dry board I'm checking this turn 100% of the time since there's only pretty much a pot sized bet left. If we were behind we are still behind. If V is being sticky with AK / AJs then we can play pretty perfectly on the river. Tough to be OOP though which is why I prefer the 4B pre. After we bet and get jammed on we know we are beat but we can't really fold for this price. I think the x/r on the flop doomed us as V can easily get the rest in with two small bets. Second hand is just gross, nothing you can do about that. [/QUOTE]

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