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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 5839945, member: 305911"] I think you can go either on way pre flop but I am nitty so you may not want to listen to me on that one but I dont mind any play there as I think they can all be backed up depending on opponent. I like your pre flop call as there is no reason to raise there imo, just call and see what happens on the turn. The turn card is where I disagree with your play and your point #1 that is on your post. We have a strong hand now that is vulnerable to draws and we know if those draws miss we will have a hard time getting value from them unless they lead bluff the river. I would be raising the turn here for value. This targets the draws and Kx hands that the villain could have and also may even make the villain check the river even when they hit thinking we will fire again. This means we might be able to get away on the river more easily when a draw hits by raising on this turn. I do want to point out that I think you are being overly cautious in your reasoning not to raise. You post that you are worried that draws might jam on you. We should want draws to jam on us here. It will put us in a tough spot but we just have to dechiper whether they are doing this with a draw or KK (really doubt they have 22 but it is possible). We have a set blocker to the other two cards so sets are limited here. Villain could have J10 here but we dont want to be so scared that we give up an opportunity for value. Raising here is the better play to get what you can from draws that most likely will miss on the river. As played on the river I would be torn here. In my mind I agree with you that they are probably only 3 barreling here with a flush but is it worth it to call here in the long run to know that is the case against this opponent? That could only be answered by often you think you will see this opponent in the future but I would at least consider calling since my hand is good some % of the time and I also find out something about this opponent which I can note and use for a future river bet that more likely will be much bigger than this one. [/QUOTE]

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