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Message: [QUOTE="brunochano, post: 6132462, member: 451745"] Hi guys this hand was played in a live pot limit cash game could you please help me? The table was too loose and the guys were limping/ raising a wide range. I had [B]QQ[/B] and a stack of about [B]$100[/B] at the sb and raised for the[U] limit $15[/U] ( was this a 3bet?)after almost the whole table( 8 players) limped and then got [B]4 calls[/B] ( bb utg utg1 and button/ mp/hj and co folds). The flop came [B]Js8c6c[/B] The pot was about[B] $75[/B] and I lead [B]$25[/B] expecting to get some value BB folds UTG calls and UTG1 calls BT fold BB fold. The turn came a 4s and I [B]shoved[/B] my [B]$60[/B] into a [B]$150pot[/B]. The 2 villains calls and the river comes a 2s both then check and utg wins a pot of $320 with the nut flush draw (AsTs) utg1 shows Ks8s. Maybe it's simple for you that have more experience but as a beginner I wonder if I played correctly. I came back home sad because I have a small bankroll and this money was important for me but I think it's worth the learning process.:( My doubts are: [B]With a stack of only $100 was I right to try to extract value raising pre flop and leading in a flop like this?[/B] [B]My bet on the flop didn't let good odds for the villain to call my shove on turn? (Are these calculations correct? 1:3,5 for villain 1 to call with his flush draw? thats about 22,5% so I ask my self haven't I made their lives easy? Am I right to think this 4,5% edge as a +EV shove in the long term? Could I consider this small edge as better having a line of checking? Could I have betted smaller on flop in order to shove turn offering worst odds ?[U]( I think this would be important in such a loose table and even more against 2 deep stacks loose players but should the thought about extracting value and denying equity have a different hole from one street to another or should I just think about how to fit my shove?)[/U][/B] [B]Even though having a small stack compared to the villains ( 2,5x my stack) I think that this bet was kind of close to the maximum they would pay for my turn shove but just to have a better notion if I had a deeper stack (Should I have had in order to play with then?) what would be the worst odds I could try to offer? Maybe 1:3 in a bet of half pot? Or should I try to bet 60% of the pot or more(I mean on turn specifically)?[/B] [B]Is there any predominant thinking in this kind of turn with lots of flush draws? Denying equity ( trying to push the bet a little bit harder and decreasing the number of call or betting smaller kind of how I did and getting two villains in the hand) or Gain value (kind of like I did?)? [/B] [B]Just one curiosity if the villain have a flush draw he is in a 9: 35(decreases our 2 cards as whel as his 9 flush cards + the 4 board cards?/ why don't we count the other players cards in this decrease?) or about 1:4 to hit his flush? So in these terms our odds of 1:3,5 we re offering arent such a big deal right? How much should be these difference in order to profit and also deny equity in such situations like these? [/B] Guys I hope so many questions may not be a problem to you all I want is to be sure I understand everything behind this play and if I made any mistake that I never make it again hahhaha! [B]Thanks a lot! [/B] [/QUOTE]

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